Selling My EQ

[ink]

Anyone interested in purchasing all or any of my eq for RL cash can send me a PM. Let the bidding begin!

[Lycron]

uhh, that's against the merc/diku licenses.

[Solaron]

That only really binds the person who is running the code. Don't think any players would be held liable for violating the license for the code they didn't download or install.

If Tynian were selling gear, for example... yeah, that'd violate the Diku license. That'd be pulling a Medievia... and we can all see how much they've 'suffered'. Sure, some mudders like me boycott them, but most don't, and the original Diku creators have declined (probably due to lack of funds) to pursue license violation against -any- mud so far.

[jaeden]

Anyone interested in purchasing all or any of my eq for RL cash can send me a PM. Let the bidding begin!

Wow..I don't think it gets any more pathetic than that.

[Anonymous Mammal]

WHAT is your eq? How do you expect to sell what you don't advertise?

[ink]

My EQ is on a database that I will send to seriously interested buyers. PM me to get the process started.

[kinen]

Hey, where's that 5 dam you promised me? ::mad::

I bid one large batch of home-made oatmeal cookies for the kit and caboodle.

-K

[Solaron]

Wow..I don't think it gets any more pathetic than that.

I take that as a "Man, I wish I could afford to buy the gear!".

[Okk]

Being an immortal, I can only eat your eq, but I'd prefer to do that anyway. I have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich I can trade.

[jaeden]

I take that as a "Man, I wish I could afford to buy the gear!".

You should take that as "Man, it doesn't get more pathetic than that."

Buying gear for a game? It's like paying for gold/equipment in games like Warcraft..it's pathetic and lessens the worth of the game. I think Tynian should purge Ink(equipment and all) for making such a post.

[Jashon]

As foolish as I think it is--I don't think there is anything *wrong* with it. As long as the eq is not given to him from an immortal.

If you want to buy it-- go ahead.

Hmm...maybe it isn't that bad of an idea--

I will offer my little sister. She ought to be worth something.

[Solaron]

As foolish as I think it is--I don't think there is anything *wrong* with it. As long as the eq is not given to him from an immortal.

If you want to buy it-- go ahead.

Hmm...maybe it isn't that bad of an idea--

I will offer my little sister. She ought to be worth something.

Haha! Nicely done, Jashon.

Buying gear for a game? It's like paying for gold/equipment in games like Warcraft..it's pathetic and lessens the worth of the game. I think Tynian should purge Ink(equipment and all) for making such a post.

I bought gold in World of Warcraft too. It warms my heart to know that I'm feeding some gold farmer's family. There's a real easy solution for you: Don't read the post and don't buy his gear. I don't see Ink getting purged (equipment and all) for this post, but I do find the idea funny! You're always good for a chuckle, Jaeden. Not really a chortle or anything, but a little belly laugh.

[Cordir, Lady of Fate]

Actually, it's been done before.

Just more quietly.

I'm aware of at least two instances in which a retiring character sold off their gear for 'filthy lucre'.

-C

[jaeden]

I bought gold in World of Warcraft too. It warms my heart to know that I'm feeding some gold farmer's family. There's a real easy solution for you: Don't read the post and don't buy his gear. I don't see Ink getting purged (equipment and all) for this post, but I do find the idea funny! You're always good for a chuckle, Jaeden. Not really a chortle or anything, but a little belly laugh.

Good to know what kind of gamer you are, Solaron. It explains a lot.


As for Ink and his impromptu sale, I put forth only this;

Why should a PLAYER make any money off of TFC when Tynain and his staff does not? Shouldn't any money garnered from TFC in any way, shape or form go to the TFC fund? Seems like any player worth his salt would want to return to a game that he/she has taken from so fruitfully over the years.

Chuckle at that.

[Solaron]

Jaeden: The point I've been trying to get across to you is that hurling insults, whether they be "subtle", thingly veiled or blatant, is dumb.

You do not have to read this thread. Nobody is making you.

Everyone knows what kind of gamer I am. I've never denied it: I will take advantage of whatever I can to make the best of a situation. When most everyone on the WoW server I'm on is selling items for ridiculous amounts of gold because everyone buys it, I'll buy it. I think it's dumb not to.

Of course, I also place an emphasis on a different type of gaming than you may, perhaps. Or perhaps I'm not a gamer "worth my salt". Who knows?

Tynian can't take money for the game. It can't go to him, per the Diku license. It COULD go to the game, sure. A lot of people have donated to it. A lot of us have brought people to the game. We've given, we've taken. Who cares what a player wants to do with his gear? If Orpik wanted to sell his gear, if Morgaine wanted to sell his time grouping with people to level them or if Belsambar wanted to sell tours of Master's Tower complete with deaths, I wouldn't hold it against them. Do I really think it's necessary to buy equipment on TFC? Not really. Still, it's better gear than 99% of people have... and some people, from the responses he's been getting, are very interested.

Either way, let's drop the "I'm better than you" act, Jaeden. If you don't like it, don't read the post. Cordir (who knows a lot more history than I) says its happened before, and I'm sure regardless of what happens with this post, gear sales will happen again.

- Sol

[jaeden]

It has nothing to do with an "I'm better than you" attitude. Gaming is about overcoming obstacles placed by the game itself, not buying your way through it.

And making money off a game that is essentially free while those running it get nothing is at least disrespectful, and to be honest it's downright inappropriate.

And to those throwing wonderful negative points to my reputation, please attach a name next time so we can fully discuss what you feel was inappropriate about my post. I do know how to keep a civil tongue, when others do the same. Sol was rude and disrespectful to me from the moment I posted about Ink's sale. I make no apologies for REPLYING to his insult, and Ink I give my total lack of respect because he's done nothing to deserve respect.

I'm done replying to this thread. Flame away.

[Anonymous Mammal]

And to those throwing wonderful negative points to my reputation, please attach a name next time so we can fully discuss what you feel was inappropriate about my post.You mean I'm not the only one this has happened to?
... and Ink I give my total lack of respect because he's done nothing to deserve respect.Here here! Preach on, brother!

[Solaron]

I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful. I was having fun in a funny thread and you came along and added your own unneeded flair.

I don't leave negative reputation period. I rarely leave rep these days at all.

Ink has done more to earn my respect than almost anyone else. Once again, it's all perspective. Either way: I'm going to ask us all once again to just ignore the post if you don't like it. It's posted in OOC forums and nothing to start some drama about. Let's save that for the IC stuff.

Thanks!

[Katrana]

Wow..I don't think it gets any more pathetic than that.

...

And to those throwing wonderful negative points to my reputation, please attach a name next time so we can fully discuss what you feel was inappropriate about my post. I do know how to keep a civil tongue, when others do the same. Sol was rude and disrespectful to me from the moment I posted about Ink's sale. I make no apologies for REPLYING to his insult, and Ink I give my total lack of respect because he's done nothing to deserve respect.


I was going to post this in a PM to you, but since you seem to want everything public...here.

First off: How is what Ink did disrespectful? Is it disrespectful to sell an antique? A highly sought after baseball card? A limited edition whatever? If anything, it shows that people care about this game so much they are willing to spend money from their own RL pocket for a game. You have to remember, you are one person viewing things one way. How you view them, might not be how everyone else does.

This deserves, and your other posts here deserve positive rep why? I'll admit, I was one (from what it sounds like a few) that threw the negative rep your way. Let me explain why, more in detail than my message did. I've thrown negative rep at others too, because they state something that to a person looking to come to this free game, could make that person turn around and leave. I know that when Hunt was in their prime, they 'chased' alot of people away with their attitude, and yes I'm partially if not entirely to blame for their actions in the way I did not punish them for what they did or how they spoke. I was Wyld, I felt no need to spare anyone. For that I apologize, even though I was Wyld, I should not have let them have a total disregard for respecting peers. Since I've been back, in one form or another, I've realized there is a complete and blatant disregard for characters in different followings, alignments, etc and what not. That perhaps I started, and now I feel like I need to point it out to people when they are making the same types of actions. (You should hear me talk to Sol irl..."Give back their weapon and their light, and this and that at least! Did you see what he said?! Yell at him. (Poor Sol...having to put up with an exfli, lol)) To a newbie, or anyone else investigating this game - a comment such as what you made prior would be a total turn off to someone. You may not like Ink, you may hate Ink, but he's in all honesty done quite a bit for the game. Hell, you know you don't even have to respect Ink, but what you did with a post, could have been said in a PM away from investigator eyes, away from newbies who have just got here. If you didn't post the original, do you think Solaron, or anyone else would have posted after that? With a comment like that, nothing but flaring comments, and glaring issues will arise. Oh gee, look what happened. Forgive my sarcasm, but honestly, take a step back and read the post, look at when this post became a downward spiral of lashing comments. If you have negative rep, and if you go back and reread a section and see the comments going downhill, or you said something that could be taken in a way to chase away a player. That was probably me that did it.

And before you ask if I gave negative rep to Ink for selling his gear and people taking it in a wrong sense. I didn't. Here is why: His post stating nothing derogatory toward TFC or any other player. He did not disrespect anyone or anything. It is not saying he will be retiring or anything of the sorts. Who knows what his situation is at home, maybe he needs the money. Maybe he's not really going to sell it, maybe he's just curious at the RL market value of TFC gear. Who knows....

So there, you wanted an explaination you got it. I apologize if I appeared rude, or disrespectful in any way or manner.

I'll take my leave now.
Katrana

Ink - I am sorry to have posted this in your thread, and apologize that it's become hijacked.

[Anonymous Mammal]

Hmm... something in my most recent post to this thread has earned me another negative reputation with someone leaving the message "You are such an idiot" and without leaving a name. Wow. Maybe I should set a goal to see just how many negative reputation comments I can get. Maybe I can set a record.

<Personal opinion>
As per Ink selling his equipment for RL cash I don't think it should be allowed. He doesn't actually "own" any of that and cannot guarantee that the items can actually be transfered. He may end up being deleted. He may never log on again. There is no way of assuring that once he has recieved money that the item can be delivered. With some of his past actions in game I would not trust him in the least. It is because of his past actions that I have little, if any, respect for him as a character and as a player.
</Personal opinion>

[Solaron]

<Personal opinion>
As per Ink selling his equipment for RL cash I don't think it should be allowed. He doesn't actually "own" any of that and cannot guarantee that the items can actually be transfered. He may end up being deleted. He may never log on again. There is no way of assuring that once he has recieved money that the item can be delivered. With some of his past actions in game I would not trust him in the least. It is because of his past actions that I have little, if any, respect for him as a character and as a player.
</Personal opinion>

Then don't buy the gear, man, it's that easy. Buyer beware and all that jazz. It's pretty simple.

That said, I feel for you with the whole negative rep thing. I've gotten it a few times from people and they never leave their names. It really bugs me. If I leave negative rep, I leave my name.

[Tynian]

You do not have to read this thread. Nobody is making you.

This does not seem to be a reasonable response to someone disagreeing with a post or the ideas behind it. Jaeden has as much right to weigh in on a thread as anyone else...

[Tynian]

Hmm... something in my most recent post to this thread has earned me another negative reputation with someone leaving the message "You are such an idiot" and without leaving a name.

Am I the only one that thinks it a little ironic that you complain about someone not leaving a name with their rep comment, yet are opposed to those that call you out on your anonymity? ::pleased::

[Anonymous Mammal]

You know, you require that I sign up for the forums in order to post anything, and therefor am giving myself a face, so to speak. I'm about as anonymous as you are. Anyone that can leave a reputation comment has an account with a name. I'm just curious as to who it was that left that message.

I appologize, this has nothing to do with Ink selling his eq and really doesn't belong in this thread.

[Grale]

The only part of this thread I'd like to comment on is the following by Anonymous Mammal, who posted the following as a personal comment about Ink:

"There is no way of assuring that once he has recieved money that the item can be delivered. With some of his past actions in game I would not trust him in the least. It is because of his past actions that I have little, if any, respect for him as a character and as a player."

I guess we're all entitled to our opinion, but I've always found Ink honest, and I have quite a lot of respect for him. We're not currently in adversarial followings, but we have been most of our mutual life on TFC, and even when he's trying to tear me a new one, he's honest about it - I can't fault him in any category at any time.

Ink killed me LD once (years ago, yes Ink, I remember), and returned my corpse immediately when he realized what happened, and took my word for it that I was LD. Doesn't get much more honourable than that - so you may or may not like him Anonymous Mammal, but let's not question his honesty.

Cheers,

Grale

[Tynian]

Goodness. Get busy and don't check the forums for a couple of days, and all heck breaks loose.

I am a little disappointed that this thread decended into name calling, goading, and bad feelings. This forum will be successful only if we manage to put our egos aside, and I certainly include myself in this. Personal attacks upon each other don't serve any good purpose; it just brings more of the same. Let's try not to antagonize each other just for the sake of doing so, okay?

Now, on to the topic of the thread. I don't like Ink trying to sell his equipment for RL money. I don't feel it is appropriate. That said, I'm not going to police against it. From a practicality standpoint, it would be nearly impossible to do so.

Frankly, I think anyone who buys equipment with cold hard cash is a fool. That equipment would be gone with the next hostile corpse looting or PK. You are likely able to get some pretty nice equipment just by networking and making some friends, and you can do that for free.

Nonetheless, maybe Ink is onto something. If dollars for equipment is really an untapped market, like Ink suggests, maybe I should figure out how to capitalize! No reason why I shouldn't make some moolah too! ::up::

[Maeron]

Take this as constructive critisism, or not. But you have to admit, the tone to this thread was set 4 posts into it.

Wow..I don't think it gets any more pathetic than that.

Now, that may or may not be true, but it's just a personal attack. In posts to follow, I feel you made your point very well, and some of what you said started to make sense. Now perhaps if you had posted that initially, we all could have read the post and agreed or disagreed.

Don't be shocked when you enter the flame war arena, defending your right to post, when you just hurl a jab out there.

[Takeda]

Paying money for 1's and 0's , funny

[pitt]

heh.. I think you're technically paying for 1's and 0's every time you buy a CD, software, any online content... I'm not a TV person but presumably cable too :)


I don't think there's anything really strange about people being willing to pay for entertainment, but in this case it strikes me as kinda rude to be making your own money off something that Tynian runs for free.. but that's just me.

[boromir]

Greetings,

Frankly, I find the idea of buying EQ kinda sily since it will get lost with the next PK. Then again, buying eq for gold on TFC is probably in the same catergory, the only difference being one is gold on TFC and the other being dollars or whatever currency the transaction is completed in. Its alot easier to get gold on TFC than in RL. The mobs in RL object alot more and seem to be impervious to spells etc. ::whistle::

In so far as calling someone pathetic or foolish et al, well I suppose that is a view of the respondent. Altho I would recommend choosing terms that would not be as ... provacative :D

Speaking to the topic of Ink and the chances of getting the eq once you pay for it in whatever manner is agreed to:
==> start of Personal Opinion <==
SInce I have dealt with Ink over a number of years and characters, I figure the odds are good you will receive the eq.
==> end of Personal Opinion <==

Yout considered Opinions ! ::up::

[eldric]

heh.. I think you're technically paying for 1's and 0's every time you buy a CD, software, any online content... I'm not a TV person but presumably cable too :)


I don't think there's anything really strange about people being willing to pay for entertainment, but in this case it strikes me as kinda rude to be making your own money off something that Tynian runs for free.. but that's just me.

I'd totally paypal Ink $25.00 for his set, Just for the fun of it. I probably spend $25.00 a year in lost change. But like the lost change, I'd probably lose Ink's set as well.

[Talyn]

I'd totally paypal Ink $25.00 for his set, Just for the fun of it. I probably spend $25.00 a year in lost change. But like the lost change, I'd probably lose Ink's set as well.

Well Eldric, you might want to consider investing your lost change into my set then.. it's entirely comparable to Ink's, and is a couple points shy of hitting the da cap.. you probably wouldn't lose it quite as easily as your loose change because.

[rubicant99]

Yeah id like to see who and if anybody buys the eq. Thats the weakest move possible. It takes away from games in so many ways. Anyhow id like to see just how much money you make off your gear etc. I know alot of ppl ebay chars on WOW and its kinda funny. If someone bought your eq on a dead and burnt out mud id laugh my a$$ off. Well good luck with the money scheme Ink. If you seriously need money I live about 50 miles away in Tucson and could help ya a job pretty easy d00d!!! Well msg me back when you get a moment. Is money that hard to come acrosss in CG?

[rubicant99]

Also be advised Damage Absorb was the worst thing ever put in the game. The whole idea of being able to deal damage and not take the consequences is stupid . (Take the dmg) I guess some people just want it all. Over all even in its burnt out state damage absorb is not a constructive form. Battles go on forever and ever and ever. Lame lame lame. You may as well take off all your eq and scratch each other to death it would take about the same time. Like I said lame lame lame. Bad idea

`Rubicant :eek: